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Angelo

Senior Member
I’ve posted before about a relative of mine who described herself as a “helicopter mom and proud of it” and “warrior mama bear” and so on and used to blather on FB about how terribly she felt her son with a learning disability was treated at school. All the teachers (or it certainly seemed that way) were awful, unfeeling, incompetent, etc. The schools were run by idiots who enforced policies that made no sense. And on and on. And she had a little echo chamber of women in her circle who appeared to like and cheer on everything she wrote.

When Junior went off to college, she ranted about how the professors and the dean wouldn’t talk to her because her son was an adult. She went on about how “It’s great that they think a 19 yo KID (and YES I said kid) is mature enough to handle his own affairs, and I wish that were the case too, but I know my son, and he’s not there yet. Maybe these profs need to read more about the frontal lobe of the brain and that it’s not fully-formed in boys until their mid-20s. If I left everything up to Junior, he’d just accept whatever arbitrary grade they gave him and never schedule appointments to discuss improvement strategies. Sorry, Fiddlesticks University, but this warrior mama isn’t going away!”

She went quiet for a while. Then this week, she posted a rant about how she tried to attend the contract and salary negotiation for Junior’s first full-time job (ironically at the college he graduated from) and was turned away. She’s making noises about suing the college if Junior doesn’t get the salary and benefits she thinks he deserves because “They are taking advantage of his youth and inexperience. My son has anxiety issues and would find it difficult to speak up if they treated him unfairly.” She posted a link to an article about a mother who attended all classes and took notes for her quadriplegic son. Then she commented how it’s sad that mother gets called a saint while mothers who step in for kids with anxiety and learning disabilities are labeled “helicopters” or “Karens.”

Honestly… I think she’s the one who needs therapy, not her ADULT son.
 
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twinmom95

Senior Member
And how much of his anxiety has actually been caused by or exacerbated by her over the top expectations and/ or actions? What a piece of work! What is WRONG with some people???
 

Haley23

Senior Member
I think it's a miracle the kid graduated from college and actually got a job in the first place, given that background! It's a wonder he can do anything independently!
 

jazzer

Senior Member
Unbelievable. She can not compare a situation where a mom helps her quadriplegic son with her and her son who probably does not have a disability like that.

It is ok to help people do what they truly physically or mentally cannot do for themselves, but not for someone who more than likely can if given the chance or forced to do it.
 

Keltikmom

Senior Member
Mama bear

Does she not realize she has been telling her son, all his life, “you are too stupid to take care of yourself?”??????
 
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Ima Teacher

Senior Member
Sounds like my EX-MIL. She went to the factory where EX worked to tell them they needed to keep him on the same line all the time because changing it stressed him out too much. He ended up quitting because everybody picked on him. :rolleyes:
 

Summerwillcom

Senior Member
The community I last taught in.....

had a bunch of moms who prided themselves in being "mamma bears."
Even 1 of my friends, who I love dearly, used to say it sometimes.
I was careful the way I spoke to her about it for years, but she did get the point that it was doing her kid a disservice and changed her ways!
The sad part is I have seen so many smart, talented, capable kids, grow up and get nowhere in life b/c of the way they were raised.
Sometimes their parents "help them" through college, but the kid can't get or keep a decent job b/c they are not able to problem solve or deal with adversity.
 

Renea

Senior Member
I'm surprised her son hasn't divorced himself of his crazy Karen mother. Many younger folks would run like crazy in embarrassment from a helicopter mom who follows him into adulthood. It seems really lacks any feelings of autonomy. Quite the dysfunctional family.
 

marguerite2

Senior Member
I was just thinking about what a miserable Mother-in-law she would be.

I can visualize her wanting to go on his dates, booking a room for herself at the honeymoon location to surprise them…

Her son needs a job far far away.
 

TAOEP

Senior Member
If I were her child (thanking my lucky stars that I am not), I would be seriously considering moving a couple of thousand miles away and getting a ONE-bedroom apartment.

Seriously, how does she think an employer would have any respect for a new hire who showed up with his mother to negotiate a contract and salary? And truthfully, for a first job out of school, there isn't usually much to negotiate. It generally is the employer making an offer and the potential employee accepting (or not). They might discuss the starting date, but that's about it.
 

Angelo

Senior Member
"Takes all kinds. Hope the son enjoys his job. Does the son still live at home?"

I'm pretty sure he still lives at home. Sounds like his job is something in the Athletic department: time-keeping, equipment maintenance, that sort of thing.

"Many younger folks would run like crazy in embarrassment from a helicopter mom who follows him into adulthood."

Yeah, I've seen both types working in a private school. I've seen the kids who stare at their feet and turn red and look mortified when their mom goes full snowplow. More disturbing is the kid who either sits back politely and dispassionately as though this is completely normal or, worse, locks eyes with you and looks smug and satisfied that their mom is "settling scores with the school" on their behalf.

"And truthfully, for a first job out of school, there isn't usually much to negotiate. It generally is the employer making an offer and the potential employee accepting (or not). They might discuss the starting date, but that's about it."

RIGHT??? That was my first thought. I'm pretty sure a university compensates based on a grid that reflects seniority, experience, and education. Not much room for negotiation unless you're applying for the position of Chancellor or Provost or something like that.
 

Lilbitkm

Senior Member
I’m interested to see if he still has a job after she has done this. If he does start the job, I’m sure it won’t last long.
 

Singvogel

Senior Member
More disturbing is the kid who either sits back politely and dispassionately as though this is completely normal or, worse, locks eyes with you and looks smug and satisfied that their mom is "settling scores with the school" on their behalf.

Yes! We see this at the elementary school level when a student doesn't get his or her way, and then the parent (usually the mother) goes straight to the principal.

The aggravation continues when the principal thinks the situation is appropriately handled by saying, "I'll talk to the teacher." This leaves things that snookums is in the right and it pulls the rug of authority out from under the teacher. If the teacher continues with routine discipline, the child is shocked.
 

Angelo

Senior Member
“The aggravation continues when the principal thinks the situation is appropriately handled by saying, "I'll talk to the teacher." This leaves things that snookums is in the right and it pulls the rug of authority out from under the teacher. If the teacher continues with routine discipline, the child is shocked.”

Yeah, I’ve had the “shocked” kid in high school (mainly as a school counselor) who looked at me strangely when I informed them a call or email from mom would not change the answer I had already given them.

One kid came in a week into the term and wanted to change classes because he didn’t like the teacher he’d gotten and several of his friends were in the other class. I said, no, we don’t do that. He tried to argue and plead with me for several more minutes and I politely said, no, we don’t do that. You’ll just have to deal with the situation. I then sent him off to class as the lunch period was ending. I could see that, instead of heading to class as directed, he had ducked into a corner and was madly texting on his phone.

Me: Please put the phone away and go to class. You’re about to be late.
Student: Yeah, ummm… but it’s Geography next. Period 5.
Me: Yes?
Student: Well, uh… that’s the class I’m changing. Once the change goes through.
Me: That is the class you are not changing, as I think I explained to you pretty clearly in my office. If you want to start improving your working relationship with the teacher, being on time would be a good start. Off you go.
Student: Uh… my mom wants to know if it’s possible for me to switch counselors.
Me: Switch counselors? You can request a switch next August if you think I’m not a good match.
Student: Ummmm… okay… but the thing is…
Me: Just be aware that switching counselors will have no impact on your request to switch Geography teachers. That’s a standing policy. Nobody in this department is going to do that for you.
Student: Okay, but can I at least talk to one of the other counselors?
Me: About this or something else?
Student: This.
Me: Then no.
Student: So who do I have to talk to?
Me: Talk to the teacher about making it work. The answer to your request isn’t going to change just because you talk to everyone you can think of. I told you no. Other counselors will tell you no. The Head of school will tell you no.
Student: *verge of tears* Ummmm. Okay. *Continues to stand there*
Me: Okay. Now you really need to go to class.
Student: Just a minute. I think my mom wants to talk to you.
*I hear my desk phone ringing from inside my office. I ignore it and continue to look at the student*
Me: Okay. Off you go. Class.
Student: Uh… can you answer your phone? I think that’s my mom.
Me: Whoever it is, I’ll call them back.
Student: *almost panicking* But she’s calling to talk to you about switching Geography classes. She says not to go to the class until we get it settled.
Me: And I’m going to tell her exactly the same thing I told you. The switch is not happening. Having your mother call changes nothing. Now get to class. I’ve asked you several times.

The mom called admin to complain that I stood there and let her call go to voicemail and that I didn’t even hear her out before forcing her son back to class. She said that was evidence I was being hard-nosed and not willing to listen to reason. No, I explained, it’s exactly as I told the son. We do not switch classes to accommodate teacher preference or friend groups. We simply don’t do it. It’s not a question of persevering and talking to the right people. It’s not a question of making a sufficiently reasoned or impassioned argument for an exception. It simply is not done.

Kids are shocked sometimes when a parent’s intervention doesn’t automatically yield them the outcome they want.
 
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