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Changing from private to public school

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odanielb

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Hello! I am currently a teacher in a private Christian school and I am thinking of making a change to public schools. Does anyone have any advice, tips or ideas about making the transition more smooth?

Thank you,

Becky
 
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kyteacher1

Senior Member
Be prepared

I think the biggest tip I can give you is just be prepared for the changes you are going to encounter. Changes in the ability levels of your students, parental involvement, staff morale, student behavior, etc... I don't want to badmouth public education but I suspect you may find big differences between the two. It's frustrating when you have low kids who you do your best to help but who get NO help at home. Parents who don't give a crap (not all, but some) about their child's education.

I get the impression when I talk to my friend who has 2 kids in private school that the school doesnt really have behavioral issues. The kids behave or they're asked to leave and/or not return. You WILL have behavioral issues in public schools and depending on where you teach you may be shocked at some of the behavior -- I think kids now are a lot more disrespectful. Have a strong classroom management system in place! Be prepared for anything.
Good luck!
 

Ms. N

New Member
I did it and I am SO SORRY I did

I taught private Catholic schools for 5 years and this year went to the public school.

I will sum it up this way . . I am interviewing like mad . . I can't get out of the hell whole I am in fast enough.

To say " you aren't in Kansas anymore" would be a biggest understatment you could utter.

For me, the change has been a NIGHTMARE . . . .I am not saying it is like this for everyone, but I would tell you to THINK IT THROUGH . . .I left ofor benefits and pay . . . .BIG MISTAKE . . . .

Just look at ALL your options, pray and disceren what is in your best interest . . I promise you the grass is NOT always greener.

Best wishes in your decision
 
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odanielb

Guest
thank you for your input so far

I am praying and trying to figure out God's will for me at this time. I have to say that I have been reading a lot of the other posts, and I don't see the pros to leaving that I thought I would. The only reason I am considering leaving is for the money and benefits too. I haven't told my school yet, and I don't think I will until I am sure of my decision. Thank you!
 

gabanndor

Full Member
Making that change

I moved from Catholic to public schools last year. It was interesting. I do want you to know that in at least my state, AZ, they don't have to take any of your experience in a private school. Some do, mine did, thank goodness. I find the support at a public school to be better. I have more avenues to go to if need be. I also think that the process is tedious and can be hard for the teacher, student, and parents. I would agree that parents can sometimes be unsupportive, but I found that out in Catholic school as well. I have had good luck these last two years with very supportive parents. I think you need to look for an upper middle class school to find the same type of parents that you most likely deal with at a private school. Another plus, I don't have parents telling me that I have to do what they want me to do because they paid for the schooling. ;)
 
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kali

Guest
generalize

It is real hard to generalize on this topic because school climate depends so much on communtiy climate (any type of school) and so many other things...........schools are different EVERYWHERE. Where I live there is a Catholic School and they are known for having big behavior issues, underpayed staff, and teachers without solid ongoing training.
If religion is a big part of your life and a solid part of the curriculum you like to teach, then you would be happier in a Catholic School.
Some of the things that I like about my public education expirences are:
paid graduate courses, good salary, strong contract voice and support, diversity of student population, freedom in curriculum, a non religious approach to learning, etc etc
 
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Ms. N

New Member
thoughts . . ..

I agree each situation is individual and unique, but that is why we are sharing our individual stories . . .

I live in Wisconsin and I have worked for 3 catholic schools and I would go back to any one of those school in a heartbeat.

I can tell you that the Catholic school I taught i had WONDERFUL ongoing training. In fact, I received MORE training from my Catholic school than I ever have in my public school.

I would agree w/ you, the public school has a VERY strong union voice . . is that a plus . .well that is a two sided coin . .WHY does the public school arena require such a strong voice.

True there is not a union in the Catholic school system - instead there is a VERY strong sense of doing what is right.. .there are channels to take and a formal grivence policy in the even that is required.

again all sitations are differnt but MY public school studetn population is anthing BUT diverse . . .my Catholic school classes were MUCH more diverse.

I found MY public school experience to be frighteningly rigid in terms of curriculum . . .

One last negative in terms of MY experience is my public school has been working WITHOUT a contract for the last 4 years . . .this would NEVER happend in a Catholic school

I guess the point to all this is before a decision can be made an individual MUST investigate their unique situations/school discticts.
 

teachfla

Senior Member
think about it

If the only reason you're leaving is the money & benefits, you'd probably be better off staying. Public school kids are a challenge. But I have a lot of resources to choose from that were not available to me when I was in a private school setting. The nit-picky parents are off my back, and I like that a lot more.

While not a religious person myself, I was raised Catholic with a great deal of respect for the service work of my parish. One of the teachers at my public school has a Catholic social services bumper sticker on her car that has become my reason for teaching: "If you want peace, work for justice." I feel that giving my time and talent to those who really need it is my calling. Working hard to give my Title I kiddos educational justice so they can possibly have peace in their own lives is way worth the difficulty. Good luck with your decision -- think on it long and hard.
 
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odanielb

Guest
Thank you all so much for your helpful advice

Thank you all so much for your helpful advice. Although, I am still praying about this, I really think I am leaning toward staying at least one more year. After reading several posts and speaking with some friends who have made the change, I think I have really decided that a move right now is not really what I need or should do. I have a heart for all children, but I enjoy my freedom to speak my mind when it comes to my faith. Once again, I appreciate all of you for thinking about my situation and responding so kindly.

In Him,

Becky
 
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brooke

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there must be some magic in christian schools

Today I marvelled at how much my son's Catholic school accomplished in the ten years he was there. He's a classic resource kid with many, many learning issues. Somehow his educators beat the odds--no resource rooms, few modifications, and a classroom with 33 kids. He's just finished his second semester in a college prep program at a Catholic high school. He made honors both first and second quarter. He never made honors in grades 1-8 but they stuck with him through thick and thin. When he told me today that only 4 kids out of 30 passed the Algebra exam, and he was one of them, I thanked his Catholic school teachers. Our ten years there was full of hurdles, but somehow the community spirit pulled us through. I don't have much to add, but I wanted to say thank you to you and all of your Christian school co-teachers.

Regarding public school benefits--certainly there's higher pay and smaller classrooms. Ask within your community about how No Child Left Behind has affected teaching. The pressure gets greater every year, and the paths we're asked to follow seem more and more uncertain. What I found as I observed my son's teachers was that they were secure with the unchanging curriculum they offered every year.

I do think you get behavior problems just like we do, but I feel confident that your parent support is much greater than what we experience. This year I have one child who has missed school 16 days just because, a depressed child who can hardly pick up his pencil to even attempt to get started on a assigment and many kids who cry at the drop of a hat and this is probably related to their unsettled households where moms and dads don't live together. Teaching is a calling that offers many challenges wherever you teach.

Best wishes with whatever decision you make.
 
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Homeschl Mom

Guest
The MAGIC in private schools

Yes, there is something magic in these private schools. I think it's called tuition! For a family to pay for (or search for a scholarship to or voucher for) private school the family has to really be interested in what is going on with their children. Having had my kids at a private school, I know that most of the families there were eager to help in the classroom, grade papers at night, help their child at home, feed their children right, take them to the library and zoo, and to put them to bed at a decent hour. The kids didn't deal with parents in jail or on drugs and even divorce (which is hard on little people) was rare. The families tended to stay in one place and not be moving every few months. In the public schools, you have "all types" from the most loving and caring and involved parents that are right there helping out to the deadbeats who don't care and the homeless which have their own challenges!

And, also, since they are paid less, the teachers in private schools are usually quite dedicated to the school's vision and philosophy. Otherwise they'd be out in public schools making more money in often nicer settings. Plenty of teachers in the public school are dedicated too, but the undedicated ones probably wouldn't teach in a private setting where they are paid less.

On the other hand, private schools (especially religious ones) might be lacking in the newest and best for lab equipment, books, special curricula, but it doesn't seem to be an issue.

So, perhaps it's the combination of sacrificing teachers and tuition-paying families that really make the difference.

Kelly
 
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kali

Guest
yes, indeed Ms.N

Wow, not sure what state you worked in...but boo to them! Sounds like you had it awful. I feel like having a strong voice is not a defense mechanism or a crying protest to something.........rather a strong voice means, that there is a diverse community of teachers, administrators, parents, community members, staff, and students who share in the education of their local youth. I feel very lucky in my school, not a single complaint..honestly.
You seem to think that Union is the opposite for "doing what is right". I don't even know how to respond to that. You also mention rigid curriculum in public schools, again..this depends on your State. I was a student at Catholic School as a child and a big part of the day was spoken for due to religious "duties" and canned curriculum.
Also regarding no contract......Please do share the state you worked in because you got me wondering now! I know I have a contract and do not know one teacher who doesn't.
 
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Miss P

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pre teacher

WOW, I am impressed with the responses about the Catholic and Public school systems. I am a huge supporter of Catholic Schools, and I am proud to say all of my children are products of them. My children attended through eighth grade and entered public school their freshman year. They were truly appalled with the uncaring, rude, attitudes of the students, how they didn't care what grades they got, their disrespect to the teachers and fellow students as well as their sloppy attitudes and dress. When my children came home with these stories, I told them to remember what they were taught, and stick to your morals and values. As far as Private schools being underpaid, yes, that is true. As far as curriculum, we are on matched with the public schools, and in some cases were ahead with new books. Our little school does not have all this "extra-curricular" issues to deal with. Our priority is what is being taught, not what team the students are on and the "winning" attitude that goes with it. If the students wish to be involved in athletics, they do so in high school and many excel even though they weren't participating in it since first grade! 90% of the students who graduated from high school and who were also products of the Catholic school graduated with honors, several being validictorians.
Just so you don't think that I don't know what goes on inside a public school, I have taught preschool within the realm of the elementary wing of a medium sized public school. I found that on a daily basis that I was taken aback on the smut, disrespect and attitudes that these students had. When reprimanded, they look at me like "what?".... I also saw that the teachers did not step in to take care of these issues as they arose, the students were completely ignored, as if it was okay to speak and act in these ways.
The way things are going now, I can see class sizes rising in the public schools, teachers being more stressed than ever, and more out of control situations arising..
I give high praise to those teachers who can deal with these issues.
My preschool program is back in the private school, I am much happier there.
Miss P
In the above paragraph, I said our "little" school, which means we have 38 students K-8, four teachers full time, teacher to student ratio is about 9:1.
 
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Donna

Guest
Public school weighs in

Hi, Becky,
Before I even read the other posts (I'm interested in this topic!) I'll say my thoughts.
I am a public school teacher who sends my daughter to private school (Montessori, hopefully Friends later when she's older). I would like to work in private school for those conditions but want to work in those conditions with the inner city kids I teach, so I'm torn.
I'm not sure what area of the country, city or suburb, etc., you're considering, and that can make a difference. I teach in a city public school and the big difference there and major source of disatisfaction to me is the class size is HUGE. I've had 33 First graders all year, with no plans to reduce, yet I am expected to do all the research-based instruction planned for smaller class sizes (centers, small group instruction, differentiated teaching, etc). It's so difficult. I teach in a poor neighborhood and there are a wider range of socioeconomic issues that have led to some behavior problems and attendance issues I don't think are present in private school. The parents who are very involved always talk about putting their kids in private or charter school as soon as they can afford it.
The pluses of big city public school are there are tons and tons of supplies and curriculum resources, teaching coaches and support staff, professional development, and advancement opportunities (Reading First coach, reading specialist, math coach, school based teacher leader, administrative, etc). There are hundreds of schools in your district so if you're not happy in your school in 2 years you can switch to a new home and try again. And of course, the salary can be anywhere from 10,000 to 20,000 more a year depending on where you're talking about.

Finally, public school in some suburbs can mirror private school very much. In the town where I live(not where I teach), the public school class size average is 18. The families are affluent, student prepared, and behavior is not a problem. The school district is sought after by homeowners and by teachers looking for work. So you could definitely seek a public school district where conditions mirror private school as much as possible.

As for city public school, aside from huge class size which is a BIG aside (my main and mostly only reason for unhappiness), I really enjoy teaching there and find it meaningful instruction. Inner city kids seem largely forgotten by society and so stereotyped, yet I find them just like kids anywhere else. I have a whole range of ability levels from high to low, a few misbehaviors and many angels, and all kinds of personalities. They just act like 6 and 7 year olds. They are a wonderful class which could be even better if they were broken up into 16 and 17 or so instead of one big one. I always hope quality teachers will choose the city so the schools become better. :-)

So, I hope that helped you, and good luck in your choice! :-)
Donna
 
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Donna

Guest
Surprised

Wow, I'm really surprised at everything people have said about public school. I thought teachers would rise to a challenge. I especially don't like the part where someone said the teachers who aren't dedicated teach in public school. The whole reason a teacher would be in public school facing some of these challenges is because they are dedicated to teaching - to teaching everyone, regardless if they can afford it or not.

When I was growing up I was one of those kids. My dad was an alcoholic and left when I was 10. My mom was on welfare for a time. We were poor in the inner city. My public school teachers believed in me, and my public school was there offering a quality education (back then) to me and all the other children regardless of our background. I mean, our education was rigorous, and prepared me for high school, and then college just as well as everyone else. I had problems as a teen. I acted out. I repeated a year. The public schools gave me opportunities to show what I could do, even while demanding I make up those credits with an extra year of school. They provided 'alternative' school, counselors, and services.

I was able to go on and grow up 'normal' after all that, attend college and graduate summa cum laude with 3.98 cumulate average. I was able to have a successful career and ascend to the middle class with values not taught to me by my family unfortunately - values I picked up through education, spending time with a diverse group of other children and their families, and persistence of caring teachers. I was able to change careers and attend graduate school, again excelling with a 4.0 and rising to become a quality teacher, site selected by my school.

I usually don't share personal information on strange internet sites, so I hope you all get the point. Public school - regardless of whether we choose to work there or not - is essential because it serves everyone, regardless of whether their parents care or are involved, regardless of whether their families are rich or not, regardless of whether their dads live at home or not. Why should a child be penalized by receiving an inferior education or the judgmental attitudes of adults because of what his/her parents have chosen?

If public schools are wild with children who don't behave, there are many parts. Part is that family and parental piece, over which we teachers have no control. But the other parts teachers can control. How children behave in your classroom would be your classroom management, and your team work with administrators and other teachers at the school. The rules don't change as far as how children respond or are reached because they don't have a dad or don't have money. If you are firm, fair, and consistent, they respond. It's the same everywhere. All the textbook stuff works with all kids everywhere. It may take longer if you have 33 kids, like I do - I'm sure my class would have been calm in October instead of December - but it all comes together. And lo and behold, the reading scores go up, the math scores go up, all the same things happen when you are practicing quality teaching.

No one should chose public school if they don't want to. But to say the kinds of things or have the kinds of attitudes about the kids seems really unfair. They haven't chosen this path - not to have money, to be born to parents who split up or are not involved in school, to have parents who didn't shop around for a charter. They are kids, aged 5 - 18, with hopes, dreams, fears, attiutes, learning abilities and disabilities, challenges and triumphs, and our job as teachers is to instruct them. Either we decide we are public school teachers who teach all children, regardless of ability to choose, or not. But either way, let's not put those kids down, or the dedicated teachers who are choosing to teach them everyday, for salary and pay like everyone else, of course, but also because there is no place in the world we would rather be.
Donna
 
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NYr

Guest
Love Teaching in a Catholic School

I teach in a Catholic school after spending one year in a public school. When I worked in a public district I had a child throw furniture at me. The kids were surly and were more jaded. They seemed more streetwise. My third graders in public school used to stay up late to watch tv shows with mature themes. My third graders in Catholic school still play with dolls and stuffed animals. My students in Catholic school have manners. They say "good morning" or "good afternoon" when they see an adult in the hall. They say "please" and "thank you" when you give them something. I also teach a more diverse group of children than in public school. I don't teach the children of the rich, most of my parents are middle class. They are police officers, firefighters, nurses, secretaries, electricians, bus drivers, etc. The tuition is a sacrifice for them. They realize that an education isn't just about learning what is in books. It is really like being a member of a family. When my mother died some of my students' parents drove twenty five miles to come to the wake and funeral. I seriously doubt that public school parents would do that. My coworkers pitch in and help each other, there is no attitude about "its not in my contract." On the downside sometimes parents can be a little too involved. However, it would break my heart to leave. Unfortunately my family situation has changed and I may be forced to leave but I am workig hard to find a way to stay because I love it so much.
 
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