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dkd1173

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My principal just told me that one of my fourth graders came to her earlier today and said that he wanted to be taken out of my class because I was "a racist." When she questioned him as to HOW I was racist, he said that I always made him be caboose (person at the back of the line)...every single week, according to him, he has to be caboose. He did get a new job today, which of course, was caboose! This was before him going to the principal. He expressed his extreme displeasure at being caboose and I told him him thanks for sharing his opinion, now get in line, and didn't think anything else of it.

How to handle this? On the one hand, it's so silly that it's almost funny, but on the other hand, I don't want one of my students going around thinking, or telling others, that I am a racist! He is black, I am white, and he is probably the lowest student in my room, but gets treated like everyone else, no better, no worse. He has a horrible home life and a history of emotional/mental health issues. Should I sit him down and try to discuss this, or let it go?
 
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mrsb5

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I am going through the same thing!

I could have written this post, except I am a second grade teacher. The child tells me all the time that he hates white people, etc. He has the worst behavior in all the years I have ever taught and I still have to "walk on eggshells" because dad pulled the race card last year. I am not able to discipline him the way I would any of my other students because he will say that I am doing it because he is black. I have a very diverse class and have never treated him any different than anyone else. The only thing I have said to his dad when he brought up that I treat his son differently (hinted at because of his skin color) was that yes, I do treat him differently, he gets more of my attention because his behavior is so out of line and that it is not fair to my other 20 students.

AHHHH!! I am so frustrated. Sorry, I don' t think I answered your question, but it makes me feel better that someone else is in my boat. I would just let it go and if he says something to you, tell him that you treat all your students the same, regardless of their skin color, bottom line, end of discussion.
 

javamomma

Senior Member
how do you pick?

Just in case the question is asked of you, how do you pick?
Has he been caboose more often than others?
In my room I just have 2 helpers a day and it makes life much more simple. A student can tell me he/she are never helpers and I just show them the names in the basket and tell them their name is coming. I dont restart til everyone has been picked.
 
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c green

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I get accused of being a racist every couple of days, some months. Kids realize that this is a potent accusation, something that gets adults defensive and frightened. I also suspect some of them hear adults at home say people at their work or elsewhere are racist, and absorb the idea that this is something you say about people you don't like, without quite understanding the nuances between a boss who promotes white employees over nonwhite, and a teacher who says you can't eat crayons. ;)

Of course, it's nervewracking. I have one group of little boys who, when penalized for anything, will sometimes turn to each other and start saying 'It's because I'm Mexican. Yeah, she's racist.' I ignore it, or sometimes make a point of praising on task students who are also Latino. They're trying to get under my skin. I can't react as though they were adults. (My Latina paraprofessional, bless her, really blasts them when she hears this.)

I assume this kid is not really always the caboose. (Which sounds like quite an important role, since he must keep the back of the train caught up to the front, and not let people straggle.) If this is new, and he's going to the principal with it (which indicates a certain seriousness), I might take some time to sit down and try to discuss how he's feeling. Don't necessarily start with "So Timmy! I hear you think I'm a racist!" but tell him the principal said he was upset, and see what comes up.

He's got to be aware he's not doing well. It's possible he thinks he's not doing well BECAUSE he's black, either because he's not getting self-esteem and good role models, or because he thinks no one will give him a chance. I feel a real hypocrite, since I seldom do anything like this, but could he perhaps have reading about interesting black historical figures? Is there a black teacher or administrator who might be persuaded to sit down and encourage him a little?

It's probably not too important in the long run, but I'd treat it with a certain amount of seriousness at first, and let him understand that he hurt your feelings a little bit, and that you want to understand how HE is feeling.
 

vateacher

Senior Member
I find it interesting to think that children pick up on the seriousness of an accusation like that. I've been lucky that so far I've only been accused of this two times that I can remember. Once while student teaching in a horribly low income school while I was being observed (thank goodness my observer could see I was using the "draw a stick out of a cup" method and not choosing just "white" kids as I was accused of) and again last year when a parent said I was being racist against the white children. Now that's just silly. (by the way, I'm white) I honestly don't think of my students by race and I'm sure most of us if not all of us don't. They're kids. What I think is hillarious is that if these parents knew that I was in an interracial relationship right now perhaps they wouldn't accuse me of such stupid things.

If he doesn't want to be caboose and you can't convince him, just take the job away and give it to someone else. My students KILL for that job. So weird that he doesn't like it. Actually my children love ANY job they get. I draw names out of a baggie and let them pick which of my jobs they want for the week. If they don't want any of the jobs left (which almost never happens) I let them put their job off for a week and give it to someone who would like that job. I don't refill the baggie until everyone has had a job. Then we all start over again. So far so good with this system.
 

fun_friend

Senior Member
Like other posters mentioned, it isn't uncommon for a kid to pull the racist card. Once I had a parent accuse me of racism because I didn't react as strongly to a white kid writing in his text as I did to her black son who wrote in a text. I would like to be fair all the time, but it's not easy. I told her I wouldn't fuss at her kid at all if he would behave appropriately and work on his work. Later he was in trouble with the police. Years later, I saw this mother in the grocery and asked how her son was doing, and she spoke in a way to let me know that he was just as big a pain now several years later as he was in 6th grade.

This year I have a student who skates just above special ed status, but does not qualify. He is totally off the wall in class and needs a lot of attention. He's being raised by retired grandmother and great-aunt who are both former educators (why don't they work with him at home?). They came in blazing at the conference wanting the son taken out of the class because he is always raving about how bad it is in my class (it's better than it was then, but that's another story). They mentioned that another teacher works more successfully with the boy since they share a common culture--isn't that kind of racist to y'all--I kind of took it as such.

On the other hand, I've had lots of great relationships with Black students over the years--more great than not so great.
 
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anonymous

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racism

I would discuss the procedures for picking individuals for jobs in the classroom. Tell the students that at some point every child may not get the job he/she wants. I would make it a policy to let students choose not to take the job if they want, and pick another student to take that job. I think that it is important that you discuss what "racism" is. I would tell him that while he may not like the way that you pick jobs, this does not give him the right to make false accusations. This kid could be dangerous. I would have him moved to another class if he continues. Next time he doesn't like something he may accuse you of beating him.
 

TXTeach

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This is a teachable moment!

If this is a problem in your classrom, a good idea would be to use your Social Studies time block to explain/discuss what racism is, and point out that there is a difference between racism and prejudice, and when something should be taken as offensive and when it shouldn't

We as educators can be prejudiced and not even realize it. One can biased for or against people based on race or other factors. But we also have preferences in who we feel more comfortable in dealing with: it's hard to admit, but most teachers like the smart, well-behaved child with decent, hard-working parents. If they are not very smart, but at least polite and well-mannered, then that child will get more (positive) attention and reinforcement from us. The not-so-smart, poorly-behaved child with uninvolved parents, particularly children from low-socioeconomic backgrounds, tend to fall between the cracks. It's sad, and we don't want to admit it, but it's true.

Some of the posts I've seen in recent months have me concerned for Black, Latino, and economically disadvantaged students in these classrooms. How many times have we seen posts where teachers (presumably White), have expressed their disgust for "urban schools" or "inner city schools"? That is nothing more than code for "schools with a lot of Blacks, Latinos (i.e., non-English speakers), and poor people. Let's face it: If you are White, grew up in a suburban community, and your entire existence has been around people whose ethnicity and socioeconomic status is exactly like yours, then by default, you may have difficulty relating to students in an urban setting. That alone doesn't mean that you are racist, but understand that your limited contact with different cultures/ethnicities does impact your role as an educator. The challenge for ALL educators- regardless of our race- is that we must not let our social and political views influence how we interact with our students. We have to check our personal beliefs at the door. Along with that comes balancing act of understanding the implications of race in our country and how that affects our students.

Some teachers- along with our student- have not been PROPERLY educated about race, racism and the difference between racism and social prejudice. Educating one's self about different cultures/ethnicities outside of their own is key. We must be careful that what we do and what we say isn't taken offensively by students of color, or be misconstrued by our students and their parents. Often, it's teachers' lack of awareness that what they are saying/doing may be interpreted by a person of color as racially-charged. At the same time, many students throw around the word "racist" when they have no other recourse for explaining the actions of a teacher; they themselves have not been exposed to other cultures outside their community!

An example: Black student who lives in a predominately Black community may have limited contact with whites, with the exception of Whites in positions of authority (i.e., police officers and teachers), and their experiences with Whites may not have been good ones. So, they have the mistaken notion that every White person is racist. It's up to us as educators to tell the and show them that is not true.

I would encourage all teachers to do some personal reasearch (as if you have time lol) on Brown vs. Board of Education, and the fallout of the integration of our public school system. For several years, even now, there were teachers who believed that Black students couldn't learn, were academically inferior, and as a result, would not teach Black students or make them feel included in the learning process. Black students who did excel were purposefully graded harder, and were failed for no reason. There are plenty of people who experienced that, and they remember the feelings of rejection, the insults, the frustration, and the poor-self esteem that came from those experiences in the public schools. For many Black students, the only positive reinforcement and inclusion they received in academia came from teachers who looked like them.

Unfortunately, a lot of students in this day and age will use racism to justify poor behavior and low academic performance. And, there are people of color who are also unenlightened about the difference between social prejudice or racsim and a good teacher who simply wants to do a good job and have students respect his/her authority.

I would say to non-Black and non-Latino educators to not be offended when a parent or student seems to function better in a class where the instructor is also Black or Latino. There is a comfort level there, and built-in understanding and compassion with regard to the implications of being a person of color in this country. So passing that kid on to what the parents perceive as a more concerned, caring teacher could be a good thing for two reasons: 1)It would remove a problem-student from your class, 2)It could serve as a real education for the student and parents that this child isn't going to get an "easy pass" just because he/she and the teacher are the same ethnicity, 3)Because the student and teacher are the same ethnicity, that teacher may have higher expectations for that student and require MORE from that student and force them to perform on a higher level that they weren't even expecting!
 

Kiki

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Hey, me too!

One of my fifth graders told a classmate that I was racist because I have no black children in my room. (LIKE I HAVE ANy CONTROL OVER THIS?????) I do have many hispanic children, etc. but I guess in this kids mind, it's only black and white.

UGH!
 
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dkd1173

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Planning to talk to him, but...

of course, he's absent today! Oh well, I guess I'll attempt it tomorrow. I just want to clarify with him what he thinks "racist" means and let him know that it's not something he can say everytime life is not going his way. The thing that really gets me is, I've gone out of my way to help him this year, and being called a racist is what I get in return? I just have to keep reminding myself that he doesn't know any better way to handle the situation, and that this is definitely a "teachable moment" where I have the opportunity to help him develop a more appropriate way to express his feelings. :rolleyes:
 

musicbug

Senior Member
"racist"

Got to love the way kids throw that one around. You can bet that they hear that one at home andparents use it when they are frustrated or are "reverse racist". Trust me they exist. I had to prove a child cheated. Until her mother saw the evidence, I was a racist. No appology was ever given. Next week the principal was one for diciplining her. IO had to prove myself over and over to get the accusation removed. The mom hated me because I was white. Isn't that racism????
 

TXTeach

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music bug

It's wrong to assume that because you are White you are automatically racist. Unfortunately, people of color have had so many bad experiences with Whites that they make the unfair and incorrect assumption that all White people are that way.

I really wish we could get to the point in this country where we all could see people as individuals and not pre-judge people and their behavior, attitudes etc. based on their race/culture/ethnicity. Unfortunately, we have not made it to that point yet. It's going to take some very serious, honest dialoge about the history of race in this country and how it has affected the majority and minority. We've got some atonement to do, and when that happens, we can change a lot of attitudes and behaviors as they related to race.
 

Carolyn

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race issues

Some black people are very sensitive, and it is hard to convince them that you have no hard feelings against them because of their race. I taught in a school in which black children were the majority, and I had parents blast me all of the time about the race issue--how I favored the white children, was nicer to them, etc.

Children who misbehave often have to go to the back of the line, and that happens whether the school is all-black or all-white. I think some of these black parents and students try to blame the problems the children have on race, even when they probably know that you aren't racist. It's like any parent who tries to blame the teacher when the child has behavior issues (or academic issues).

I have found from experience that it generally does no good to argue with these people because some of them have such firm beliefs that they won't believe you anyway. If the mother wants to move the child, don't take it personally. You haven't done anything wrong. The child is just finding blame with somebody else (you).
 

TXTeach

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Interesting...

RE: Some black people are very sensitive...

It is amazing that people don't understand that Black Americans have a REASON to be "sensitive" with regards to race, prejudice and racism in this country. Just look at the history and the implications of being a person of color in this country- Black, Latino, Asian, Indian, or whatever! As stated previously, most- if not ALL- Black Americans have experienced some form of racism in their lifetime- 99.9% of it at the hands of Whites, who have held preconceived notions of Blacks and "who" they are or "how" they are. Any White teacher educating Non-White students has to be ready for that. The damaging effects of racism not something that person just "gets over"...it has a profound impact on the personal and social development of a person. Because of repeat experiences of racism, one may assume that all people who belong to a certain race are racist.

IF and WHEN, in fact GOOD teachers who happen to be White, with the purest of intentions for their students are accused of prejudice or racism, it is important for teachers to stand up for themselves and have an administration that supports them. It is also important for teachers to educate their students on what is racist behavior and what isn't. To have a passive-aggressive attitude about racism is NOT the thing to do, because things can never get better as long as people have that kind of attitude.

RE: "...it does not good to argue with these people"...

You are right, it does no good to argue. What we must do is educate. Not only our students, but ourselves. We must examine ourselves and think about how our thoughts and actions can be perceived by others as racist. We may not make overt, blatant statements, it could be subliminal messages we send in our body language and our tone of voice. Subconsciously, we all hold stereotypical and preconceived ideas. When we have passive-aggressive attitudes towards those who don't belong to our race/ethnicity (especially those who are lower-class), it carries over into how we treat people. And those vibes are easily picked up by ALL people of color, because their "sensitivities" have been heightened by the injustices they've experienced.

As an FYI, using comments like "them", "those people", "these people", "the other people" make White people open targets for racist accusations, because it gives off the appearance that those Whites have very little or no contact with others outside of their own race unless it's by force (when they absolutely HAVE TO) or by chance encounters. Therefore, when they are around people of color, the appear uncomfortable.
 
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Student Teac

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TX teacher, you have said all that need to be said. We people thank you.
 
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JCole

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Well...

I agree that racism should be done away with altogether. However, I am SICK of hearing it from some many black people. While many of their anchestors went through many terrible things at the hands of our anchestors, it is NOT OUR FAULT. We will never be able to move on if people continue to live in the past. Martin Luther King, Jr. wanted "all men to be created equal." Well, if some receives special treatment because they are black, they are not equal. I am not catorgizing every African-American into this category. However, the ones that constantly ride on the "racism" train need to get a life. I have taught in an all black school and it was amazing how I was treated just because I am white. Racism can go both ways. I agree that some black people are still treated badly because of their skin color, but some of them are guilty of treating white people that way as well.

Furthermore, they are not the only race of people that have been persecuted over the years. Native Americans, Jews, etc. etc. etc. The funny thing is, they seem to be one of the only races that want to use the race card at every chance they can get. I'm sorry if you think that I am being harsh...but I am OVER it! These people that are crying constantly over this need to stop trying to blame their problems on racism and actually try to contribute to society honestly.
 

TXTeach

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Very inflammatory comments made by posters...

Racism will continue to be an issue for ALL people until we sit down an have an open and honest discussion about race in this country. There are too many people ducking and diving away from the issue. We always want people to forget or get over the past; but when the past has a direct impact on our perceptions and how we treat others in the present, then it must be dealt with. The bottom line, is that racism has affected people mentally, emotionally, politically, and socioeconomically- whether it's the oppressed or the oppressor.

The history of race and racism in this country is and will continue to be a "burden" for Whites, and it will continue to be a painful issue for those who are people of color- until we really and truly deal with it. You don't have to be a White slave-owner or a segregationist for racism to not have an impact on you. It's a tainted part of our past as Americans. Racism has a direct and indirect effect on all of us- because of the injustice, the the hurt, the pain; the wounds are so deep. Although we have made great strides in terms of race in this country, thanks to social and political change, many of the policies that were put in place to rectify past injustices (although they were well-intended) have not completely thought, and the policies have been misinterpreted by those who are in positions of authority. It's not preferential treatment when our country is represented by the best and the brightest of all groups of interest. You forget the fact that there wouldn't be a need for such initiatives if institutional racism didn't exist in the first place. We must be about the business of inclusion. And while there may Blacks and other people of color haven't forgotten the past or make false accusations of prejudice and racism, there are STILL many Whites who still hold on to some very antiquated, prejudiced views.

Who said that Black Americans were the ONLY group of people who have faced the perils of race in this country or anywhere else in the world? No one is negating the suffering and oppression of Jews, Native Americans, Asians, Latinos, or other groups of people in this country. However, the issue regarding Black Americans came up in the initial post. And as far as using the "race card"...who invented that? Race wasn't even an issue for Black Americans and Africans until Europeans MADE it an issue for them! And it will CONTINUE to be an issue. People of color will feel comfortable about putting the past to rest and abandoning their apprehensions about race when truth, atonement and reconciliation on the issue is accomplished.

Equally appalling is the assumption that successful Blacks have achieved because of social programs/initiatives, completely negating the fact that even though their ancestors paid an awful price, there are Black people who get up every day and bust their rears to get to where they are.The idea of those working to fight racism in this country are lazy is absolutely ludicrous. The reality is that there are hard working, law-abiding, God-fearing people in ALL races/ethnicities- just like there are lazy, shiftless, unmotivated and unproductive people in ALL cultures. Let's be done with the connotation that if a person is Black they are automatically lazy.

Let it be noted that because of Blacks and their committment to social and political progress in this country, other groups and cultures- like women, Hispanics, Asians, Native Americans, and yes, even gays- are able to use the struggle of Blacks in this country as precedence for their causes. America is a good country, probably one of the best, but it is made great people who dare to stand up against status quo and risk their lives to change things. To a degree, we all owe Blacks in this country a great deal of respect.

While I'm on my way out, here's a litmus test:

If you:
1) Think that an overwhelming majority of Blacks are lazy, poor, illiterate, or act like savage beasts, and the only Blacks you have respect for are those who are educated, middle/upper middle class, and seem non-threatening
2)If you think that Latinos who come to America for a better life are only here only to "steal your job"
3)Asians are a "better" group of people because they are intelligent and work hard, and therefore deserve the respect of Whites
4)If you hate all Middle Easterners because of what happened 9/11 and because of the War in Iraq
5)If you have ever said, "I don't hate ______people, some of my best friends are ________. I work with _______ people and I teach _______ people and I don't have a problem with "them",

THEN BY-GOLLY, THOSE ARE RACIALLY CHARGED COMMENTS ARE YOUR VIEWS ARE BIGOTED! THE CHALLENGE IS TO LOOK INSIDE OF YOURSELF AND FIND OUT WHAT YOU CAN DO TO CHANGE IT!
 
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TXTeach

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I'm also curious to know...

So so many of you have these kind of social and political views with regards to Blacks or Latinos, then why are so many of you teaching in "urban, inner-city schools with minorities" ?

If I had a Black child with teachers expressing this kind of rhetoric, I'd hurry up and pull them out of your classroom becuase it's not doing you or that child any good to be in there.

This post is sad commentary for race relations in this country. I am saddened more than I am appalled. So much for compassionate conservatism.
 

Penny

Senior Member
I think you're missing the point

While race is an issue in our country, and there are a lot of posts about working with minorities not being a good fit and illegal students who, in some people's minds, do not deserve an education, (I personally think that all children in this country should be educated) what the OP was expressing was the frustration of being called a racist while simply doing her job.

I also teach in Texas. I taught in the Valley and I'm currently in the Austin area. I've had African American, Hispanic, white, and Asian students. I've had students of all those races call me a racist when I was getting on them about their behavior. Most of the other teachers I work with (of all races) also get called racist every now and then--usually because they're getting on a student for work or behavior. Sometimes a parent will make the same accusation during a conference because they want to deny the fact their child is not following rules. They totally ignore the fact that many students of the same race do well with the same "racist" teacher. As one teacher said to me, "It's the excuse they give when there's nothing else to say."

Considering how often the word "racist" gets tossed about, and considering it has even come from students of my own race, and considering that minority teachers get the comment from the same students, it does get irritating. I don't think I need to spend that moment in self-reflection because there are many students of all races who I never have a problem with. I don't know of any teacher who actually treats kids differently because of their color. There's just too much to think about in the course of the day to really focus on who is of what race and what do I think about that.

Generally, if a student follows rules and does his work to the best of his ability, that student will not have problems with the teacher--whatever race he may be.
 
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TXTEACH,

Your post sounds more like a term paper. Where do you get time to write all this stuff? I'm a teacher, and I bearly had time to write this!
 
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cal

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interesting

Are you the same teacher that tells her young students to shut-up? I find your comments interesting.
 

TXTeach

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I'll take the term paper comment and the fact that my comments are found interesting as a compliment...at least that means someone is thinking...

Penny, I'm not missing the point, I get it, and I addressed that point early on in my previous posts. What I am addressing are the comments posted.
 
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lol

Yes, I degrade my students on a regular basis. THAT'S why I spend my Saturday's writing lesson plans and trying to find things to aid in my teaching (which is how I found this site). Get real.

I never disputed her comments, just merely asked how she found the time to write such long posts.
 
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JCole

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Interesting...

how TX teach seems to think that I am referring to all African Americans. Not true...read my post again. The fact is some people DO use race as a way to get by and DO NOT feel that they should have to work for what they have. Fact: until these people realize that no one owes them ANYTHING, racial issues will continue to be present. I just have to tell ya, I resent people like that and others that make excuses for them. I work hard, as do many others, so I have not sympathy for someone that would rather gripe about how "mistreated" that they are instead of using that energy to do something positive.
 

TXTeach

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JC comments from your would be okay

If you were talking about ALL people. But you addressed the issue of race in your opening post. I addressed the instances where a teacher is called racist and that is not the case. Let me reiterate it now:

Some teachers- along with our students have not been PROPERLY educated about race, racism and the difference between racism and social prejudice. Educating one's self about different cultures/ethnicities outside of their own is key. We must be careful that what we do and what we say isn't taken offensively by students of color, or be misconstrued by our students and their parents. Often, it's teachers' lack of awareness that what they are saying/doing may be interpreted by a person of color as racially-charged. At the same time, many students throw around the word "racist" when they have no other recourse for explaining the actions of a teacher; they themselves have not been exposed to other cultures outside their community!

An example: Black student who lives in a predominately Black community may have limited contact with whites, with the exception of Whites in positions of authority (i.e., police officers and teachers), and their experiences with Whites may not have been good ones. So, they have the mistaken notion that every White person is racist. It's up to us as educators to tell the and show them that is not true.

So passing that kid on to what the parents perceive as a more concerned, caring teacher could be a good thing for two reasons: 1)It would remove a problem-student from your class, 2)It could serve as a real education for the student and parents that this child isn't going to get an "easy pass" just because he/she and the teacher are the same ethnicity, 3)Because the student and teacher are the same ethnicity, that teacher may have higher expectations for that student and require MORE from that student and force them to perform on a higher level that they weren't even expecting!

And while we are on the subject of "feeling sorry for someone"...it's not to my knowledge that Blacks or any other group of people are looking for anyone's sympathy. Anymore than Whites should be looking for sympathy because someone called them racist. If Blacks are to "get over" past AND PRESENT injustices, then Whites should as easily be able to "get over" someone calling them racist.

People are lazy because that is just who are they as an individual; that has NOTHING to do with race. What bothers me is that many people, particularly White people, have the mistaken idea that an overwhelming majority of Black Americans are lazy, unable and unwilling to work, uneducated and apathetic. Making broad, generalized statements about a culture of people is a prejudiced attitude. White people are not the only ones who work hard. There are Black people who bust their rears to hold down a job and take care of their families. They are God-fearing, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens just like you. That is doing something positive. I'm sorry if you don't have positive images of Black Americans in your school or in the community in which you live. But there are examples all around. Why not show your Black students (especially the young man you're complaining about) about positive images of his own people, so that he will turn into the "kind of Black person" you can "respect"...if you care to...
 
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